Think I've got this figured out. Process should run as follows:
1. Buy minerals.
2. Haul minerals to compression station.
3. Work out how many units of 425mm railgun 1 you could build with the tritanium.
4. You will be short some other minerals. In a spreadsheet test, 16.8 billion isk of minerals for building a set of capital ships was short 19.2 million pyerite, 7.8 million isogen, and 850 megacyte. These missing minerals are supplied from a stock in the compression station. Record the quantity of minerals you took from that stock.
5. Build the 425mm railgun I. In my spreadsheet test, it took 3.5 days to build 8350 units using 10 manufacturing slots.
6. Jump the railguns (209,000 m^3) and remaining uncompressed minerals (35,000 m^3) to lowsec.
7. Reprocess railguns.
8. Remember the minerals you took out of the stock in the compression station to build the railguns, and recorded the quantities of? Set those same quantities aside to take back to the compression station.
9. Move the rest of the minerals from the reprocessing station to the building station.
10. Move the minerals you set aside back to the compression station to be re-used.
If it works like my spreadsheet says it will, this will cut my jump freighter jumps on a 10-ship manufacturing run from 30 to 1, saving me around 2 hours of effort per run and substantially increasing my profit-per-hour-at-the-keyboard. The railgun blueprints are in research now, and I anticipate starting mineral compression in about 2-1/2 months.
By the way, the waste when compressing 855 million units of tritanium, at railgun ME 525, is 159k units of tritanium -- something like one-fortieth of one percent.
I think my railgun bpo is only ME 350 or so :(
ReplyDeleteMy set is only researched to ME 100 atm, works fine. I don't need the whole set so I plan to stick half of them in research to crazy levels just to pass the time, but it's not necessary.
DeleteParasoja, plan looks solid. I'm actually low enough on capital that I outsource transport instead of buying a jf, so mineral compression was a must for me.
What do you think about building 425mm railgun I as a business plan? I mean someone who only lives in highsec could produce this item for profit? Would you stop bothering building them if you could buy them in Jita for materials + 5-10%?
ReplyDelete5-10% would be a significant portion of my profits, so no. And I am not aware of people ever buying modules off the market for the purpose of reprocessing.
DeleteThere are such things as mineral compression services (e.g. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6918). Eyeballing it, he would appear to charge about 300m to compress the volume of minerals I use in my post.
My corporation does this but I don't sell on the open market and instead focus on contracts with private clients (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=154899).
Delete425mm Railguns can sell for a high price on the open market but relatively slowly which indicates that buyers aren't really using them for mineral compression.
I would also say that your BPO doesn't need to be researched to such a high level.
Guess it won't hurt to take them out of material research after one month. Better for me anyway, since I was planning to use those slots for something else.
DeleteCurrently 425 railgun 1s sell for about minerals + .20 percent in Jita, and there are never enough of them there.
ReplyDeleteThat sure is interesting. I'll have to try running a couple of thousand and putting them on the market at 5% or whatever to see if they sell.
DeleteDon't forget the character that will process will have to have 6.67 modified standings with the station for perfect refine!
ReplyDeleteBut overall it is very good plan, I have developed myself long time ago. Your current logistics effort is, frankly, absurd.
BTW, I totally take all the recognition for this your compression idea:
Deletehttp://eve-fail.blogspot.com/2012/08/isk-per-effort-capital-manufacturing.html?showComment=1345116616332#c3620367994070896591
Two hours per week really isn't that huge a burden.
DeleteYes, the credit for this goes to you. That post is the point when I started thinking about mineral compression seriously,
How did you choose 525 as the ME? I've been using http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo to calculate BPO waste numbers and have mine up to about 300 and was planning on throwing them back in for 477.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I've done for compression is just having a single well researched BPO and then make a ton of copies of it. Can make 20 300run copies at a POS in 2 days... if you keep it in copying, could stay well ahead of your need. But you couldn't divide your need between 10 slots evenly... :)
Worked out how much ME I could do in two months and rounded down to the nearest level that actually does anything. I... did not actually put a lot of thought into it.
DeleteSo how long until CCP nerfs mineral compression on 425s?
ReplyDeleteThey nerfed mineral compression once, way back in like 2005. Hopefully they understand that many industrial types depend on mineral compression, so it should always be a feature which exists.
DeleteI've actually been wishing that they would would make it an official thing and add mineral compression blueprints.